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Gnome-look is for Gnome. Many distros use Gnome as their default desktop environment, and others have Gnome as an alternative.

Gnome is generic, distro badges are not. Gnome-look.org is generic, Ubuntu-art.org is not.

Keep people's choices open - don't use a distro brand as the focus of your artwork. If you do release a distro-specific version, consider an unbranded version for those who like the general look but don't use the same distro as you.

The Unbranded Gnome group - supporting Gnome extras without the distro branding since 2008!

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 Unbranded Gnome

 
 by IBBoard on: May 11 2008
 
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I'll start this off with a modified version of my first post in a related group:

I decided I should start this group, since there are too many *buntu and other distro desktops/GDMs/splash logos around.

If you don't run a certain distro you can find a great looking thumbnail, then find it is ruined by a distro's logo. There are some various distros that do it, but Ubuntu fans are the worst culprits. I gave up with my GDM and just de-branded it.

This is GNOME-look, not [insert distro[-look. I'd quite happily support a ban on distro-themed items, or a constraint that everyone should do an unbranded/Gnome foot version of their distro-specific releases.


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 Thank God!!!!

 
 by greyhat on: May 12 2008
 
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this is what we all need, gnome-look without brading!

by the way, i need help finishing a GDM theme but i dont have enough time to finish it, if someone care to finish it ill be glag to give the work iv done, all design is done, now is just needed to take care of the rest. you can take all the credits.

if you are interested pm me please.


"vi /var/log/wtf/what_tha_frack_happened_here"
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 Re: Thank God!!!!

 
 by Fri13 on: May 29 2008
 
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"you can take all the credits."

Why someone would like to leave original author without credit? Even that he nicely gives permission to that, it is good manners if person who finalize the work, add's own credit under the first one.

Open Source is about giving gredits to them for who it belongs ;-)


KDE is made for users by users....
What can you give back to others?

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 Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 13 2008
 
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All this distro based crap makes me mad!

Makes me wanna leave gnome-look and take
my stuff with me!

I usually don't complain but damn... this
is starting to be too much!

and somebody please tell me what the f**k
is gnewsence?!?!?!?!!?!?!

ffs, I woke up this morning, I was in a good
mood and I thought, yeah! let's see what
gnome-look has to offer today....

Is there like another gnome-site that
actually has artwork for gnome?

If so, please re-direct me to that :)

no harm ment, I'm just pissed off , that's
all

//Robert

PS. I'm running ubuntu but I do not need
a wallpaper that says ubuntu so I be completely
sure that yes, I'm still running ubuntu :)


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary
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 Re: Yeah!

 
 by greyhat on: May 13 2008
 
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i know exactly what you mean Rob! It is a complete madness!

we can only do one thing, and that is to make good looking stuff!

ps: are you interested in finishing up my GMD sketch?


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 Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 13 2008
 
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yeah, actually I'm trying really hard as
it is to make goodlooking stuff... just that
with my skills (close to nothing) it is
really hard :)

I would finish up the dgm screen for you
but unfortunately I have never worked on
one so I really wouldn't have any clue on
how to do it :(

sorry!

I'm really mad about what is going on here
at gnome-look atm, really, and what is all
this nonsence flaming against everybody
all of the sudden? I don't get it, aren't
we like supposed to be working together?
not against one another?

whatever....

Sorry I can't do the screen!

//Robert


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary
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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 13 2008
 
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The flaming is part of the reason for this group. I won't go in to details, but while I approved of the idea behind the other group, a few days after joining I decided another more generic and constructive group might be a good idea.

What would be useful for the group would be if we could 'adopt' files. Just some way to have a list of "files this group approves of" so that we could get a "Gnome but not branded and not too generic" file list that people could use to easily avoid all of the branded/generic stuff. Unfortunately I think groups were just set up for discussion, and posting links would be all disjoint and difficult to browse.


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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by greyhat on: May 14 2008
 
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violence generates violence, just forget about it!

lets just all generate po«sitive vibes and thoughts and this will soon desapear, youll see!!!

ps: i think the GDM is very simple to do, it was intend to be my first release, but i have many things (work) to do now, i guess ill try to finish it, thx anyway.


"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler. "
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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by Fri13 on: May 29 2008
 
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"I'm really mad about what is going on here
at gnome-look atm, really, and what is all
this nonsence flaming against everybody
all of the sudden? I don't get it, aren't
we like supposed to be working together?
not against one another?"

(might go little offtopic)
We should work together. But then it's needed to have iron hard will and pure spirit to work together. Most users cant work together, fault is not them but whole world, where there is always coming somekind competition crap from TV etc.

Terrorism and all other s*it is corrupting our childs and our own minds. I dont talk about the "terrorism" what you hear from official channels, but the real terrorism, goverments using fear as reason to control world.
Big corporatiosn fighting against others by meaning that "other corporation tryed to steal from US!".

I'm very tired for these capitalism what brakes humanity down. Same thing is happening on GNU/Linux when users starts blindly use and promote distribution what they use. They dont understand that all distribution are on same boat. I shouldn't say this, but I say it anyway, Ubuntu users are one big problem on our Open (Free) Source (Software) nest. They attack against community, without noticing it, when they post so much stuff about ubuntu.

gnome-look.org was once a time a place where GNOME user could get GNOME stuff. kde-look.org was samekind. And kde-apps.org was for KDE applications. Now it has happend, what always happend if you give too much freedom, it changes to anarchy, where no one cares about those.

It's nice when Ubuntu (put any other distro here!) users does those, but it should be placed somewhere else.

Actually that's why I hope that these -look/apps.org sites gets tags so we can get tagged those distro works and hided for those who dont like them. Those who likes, them, can still see them.

Sorry, but I just dont like what Ubuntu is doing the whole community. IT should be returned to line so Ubuntu users knows that they dont have any "special OS" what they always promote. They have exactly same OS and same package than all other distribution users, they just have own brand there.

Now it's going more and more like Ubuntu vs Linux, like Ubuntu isn't that "crappy" Linux, but special kind.

It's good that there are Ubuntu users who knows stuff, but they just dont explain it to Windows > Ubuntu users!


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 29 2008
 
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Exactly.


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by code933k on: May 29 2008
 
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I understand you. But wait a minute. It is just a couple of silly boys which doesn't know anything about logics.

Just ignore them. If they continue diesturbing people for what they stupidly consider fun, they'll be severaly punished.

On Ubuntu, well, that is a very crappy product but -perhaps- a little better than Windows. People maturate and then jump on another distros...


There are arguments out there that it's better to have a single standard desktop environment, so that our mothers can find their way around [...] --pekwm doc
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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by twrock on: May 29 2008
 
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So are we going to go to Ubuntu bashing now? I thought this group was about "Unbranded GNOME" on GNOME-Look.org. What does the "goodness" or "crappiness" of any particular distro have to do with that?

For the record, I have used a few different distros over the years, and I have returned to Ubuntu for now. When you find a distro that works with your hardware without too much tweaking necessary, why switch? Just because someone else finds a different distro that works more to their own liking doesn't mean that theirs is better or worse than the one you use. Be happy with what works for you.

But I had really hoped we could keep to the topic at hand in this group (Unbranded GNOME). I hoped we could leave the bashing of people and "products" out of it. If not, then I think this isn't a place for me either.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by code933k on: May 29 2008
 
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Man, it is not "bashing", make up your mind. I am writing about technical data not about personal impressions. If you want to discus at that level I'll be glad to share experiences with you. It is not meant for offending anybody.

"the easy install argument" is the worse you can try to defend Ubuntu. Try to put experimental/advanced software within a normal install, try to customize your system and you'll immediately know what I am talking about. The Linux experience is measured in a day to day basis. The "easy fresh install" basis is Windows propaganda. Please beware that argument.

In the days to come I will try to satisfy your expectation by not talking about this around here anymore. Take care man.

PS:/ I don't bash Ununtu, I bash Gentoo everyday. Though, the other day I was using ZSH ;)


There are arguments out there that it's better to have a single standard desktop environment, so that our mothers can find their way around [...] --pekwm doc

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by twrock on: May 30 2008
 
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>>""the easy install argument" is the worse you can try to defend Ubuntu. Try to put experimental/advanced software within a normal install, try to customize your system and you'll immediately know what I am talking about."

Whether or not a distro installs well on a particular hardware system is clearly of significant importance to many poeple. But we could spend a lot of time discussing those kinds of questions/opinions/technical merits of one distro over another. I don't see that as the goal of what we are doing here.

I'm just trying to say, if a particular distro is working well for someone, if meeting their needs, if they are happy with it, what does it matter? And particularly, what does that matter in a group where the topic is "Unbranded GNOME?" Not everyone has the same personal or technical requirements for the system they use. That's ok.

BTW, did you happen to see my note to you below? Do you have any inside information you can share with us based on your role as one of the site editors?

Thanks.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 30 2008
 
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As twrock said, can we keep distro issues and discussion (critical or otherwise) out of this group (other than "they're branding it")? The main reason the group was set up is because other alternatives were too aggressive/intolerant/trolling.

Thanks.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 30 2008
 
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I actually agree with all of you :D

This should only be a discussion about
branded gnome, however I totally understand
gode933k on the matter of argumenting for
the best distro!
Just look at any mac user, he can't have
a civilized conversation with a windows
user without mentioning mac 10 times in
every sentence and it eventually ends up in
a fight :D

I know myself when I find something really
great (usually cheap beer ;D) I just
have to tell everybody that minute!

Actually I am super happy with my ubuntu
boxes atm! but still I know that there
are a distro even better somewhere and
I'm very keen on finding it, the one
that has most potential of being that distro
atm is foresight!

Okey, this was like 5 miles off topic and
I will kindly shut up on this matter now :D

All the best to all of you!!!

//Robert


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by code933k on: May 30 2008
 
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OK. I'll be more concrete. I was just finishing a statement that someone else put here. And I agree with that. FINISHED. I will not do mention any distro or system in the days to come at this group.

(But please take the time to understand the statements of another people instead of jumping on conventional conclusions...)

As for your question twrock, specifically: the tagging system is being done, the voting system studied and integration between open-sites improved.

There are utilities like an API for downloading and voting stuff currently in "beta testing". Though much people doesn't see it yet because some user mechanisms should be written.

Once again, read more carefully and watch over passionate swift conclusions. By the way my actual role is editing not writing code for this very site.

Regards.


There are arguments out there that it's better to have a single standard desktop environment, so that our mothers can find their way around [...] --pekwm doc

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 Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 13 2008
 
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There's art.gnome.org, but it tends to be on the other side of the curve - it gets flooded out by generic photographs that while they are great photos, they're also generic desktops and not overly Gnome-ly. Things like widget themes and window borders are more directly Gnome related, rather than things that can quite easily be put on any non-OS specific website.

As for gNewSense, I think it's a "more ethical and purely open source" distro, possibly another Ubuntu spin-off. It has been a while since I read the details, though.


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 Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 14 2008
 
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Ic,

Right now I'm downloading most of my wallpapers
I use of deviantart, there one can find really cool stuff
with a motive other than windows/gnome.

Thanks for the heads up on gnome art, you are right
about it being too generic :)

I see, another ubuntu distro :) there are beginning to
be quite a lot of those now.

I think what we need is more subcategories, for example

wallpapers - gnome - technical

or

wallpapers - sci-fi - dark

maybe that is too much but you get my point :)

also we could have a category named "distro branded
wallpapers" or something like that, what do you
think?

I think the feature that this group approves would be
great but I also think it would be hard to implement :)

//Robert


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary
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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 14 2008
 
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Sub-categories would be useful. It would allow those of us looking for a specific thing to find it, and those wanting to submit distro-branded work to still submit it and have it contained to its own area.

The only down-side I can see is that people tend to be bad at categorising things. The more effort you make it to submit something either a) the less likely people are to submit or b) the more likely they are to put it somewhere that isn't the best place purely because they can't be bothered finding the best place.

In terms of desktops, I use drxnele's Japanese GDM (without the branding) from http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/japanese+GDM+theme?content=73807 and a screen cap I took from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex as a wallpaper. It's not Gnome-based, but I like it :)


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah

 
 by twrock on: May 15 2008
 
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First, let me state "for the record" that I agree with the description of this group and its goal. I think that even from these first few comments, we can already see why this is somewhat complicated. A large part is because of how the whole openDesktop.org is organized. And I wouldn't even think to try to tell the admin's around here how to do it better. Even something as simple as all the "groups" showing up no matter which site you are viewing causes some people confusion. (If you are over at Ubuntu-Art.org, you will see this group and "No Ubuntu Wallpapers" show up in the list there too; does that make sense? Maybe, but it seems strange to me.)

It was a long time after joining GNOME-Look.org that I even figured out that there were so many "sub-sites" under the openDesktop.org banner. Some content crosses the lines (i.e. I believe all the GTK themes show up both here and over at Ubuntu-Art.org). But other content doesn't. I uploaded a black branded Ubuntu Human GDM here at G-L long before I knew there even was another option. At that time I was already seeing tons of "distro branded" stuff here and thought nothing of it. But the amount of content has really exploded around here, and we now see a very valid reason for the purpose of this group. (And so I added a GNOME version of that GDM theme just yesterday because I agree that everyone should try to do that.)

But then there is completely "generic" stuff. Where does it go? Taner does a bunch of awesome wallpaper, some with some form of brand ("Linux", etc.) and some with nothing. Are we going to be asking people like him to go and figure out the best place for each new upload? Who decides where the best place is? Does he have to slap a "foot" or the word "GMOME" on his wallpaper in order to upload it here? I'm not so sure I'm ready to go that far, but I don't know where the "line" should be. (And I actually prefer "generic" wallpaper with no logos or brands.)

But hopefully this is the place where we can have intelligent, adult conversations about all of this. So thanks for starting this group.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah

 
 by IBBoard on: May 15 2008
 
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There is that (good wallpapers that aren't branded in any way) but I think you could potentially work that as art work vs photos.

Photos as desktops are generic not overly Gnome-based. Art work that was created using GIMP/Inkscape/whatever is, while not directly Gnome, at least a bit more Linux related. It's not an accurate distinction and there would be grey areas, but it would allow some of the nice unbranded desktops while not letting the place get flooded out with photos.

Desktops are about the only place there is a problem as well. GDM, window managers, widget themes, icon themes, they're all either Gnome-only or Gnome-centric.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by twrock on: May 16 2008
 
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It's interesting that I have almost the opposite feeling about most of what I can imagine is "appropriate" for Gnome-look (if I'm understanding you correctly). Except for the "start" icon, what about an icon theme makes it "gnome-ish" and not something else? (I have edited the icon set I use to make that one icon the gnome foot, so I guess that is exactly what I did to create a "gnome" iconset.) GTK? Metacity? Other themes? Even GDM and splash screens can be very generic (no "gnome" or other branding at all). So what makes something "gnome-ish". For example, you wouldn't even know if I had made a wallpaper picture using GIMP or PhotoImpact, or some other "artwork" in a generic GTK or GDM theme was really made using a "Linux" app or not.

So even if the hope is to establish some kind of "line" for clarity, I'm not sure it is very easy to figure out where that is supposed to be. Will someone just say that all of Taner's stuff is "ok" because lots of people like it, but other people's generic stuff isn't. (And I keep using Taner as an example because I'd have a hard time believing people don't want his stuff to appear on this site; I sure do!) In that case, it just comes down to personal taste once again and who can claim that their "taste" is the right one?

Ah, so many questions.

Well, maybe if people "wrestle" with it long enough something will emerge that works really well.

Cheers.



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 by TheRob on: May 16 2008
 
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for some reason I cannot reply to you directly Ron.

gnome look :)

well , like you said , what is gnome-ly?

well, let's stop and think about it,
windows vista has a blueish "glass" look to
it, so every time you see something with
a blueish glass look you'll think of vista.

ubuntu has a ugly orange look to it so
everytime you see something in the same
ugly orange style you'll think "human".
(I don't like orange and I have the right
to think ubuntu looks ugly).

Mac's have a aquaish metal clean look
to it.... well , maybe you get my point?

...so what I personally think is gnome
needs is, pretty simple, a look :)

a look consists of color, shapes and
feel. If we can come up with a cool
gnome-look that has it's own niche then
I think we are one step closer to
solving this problem :)

note: every system we have has a light
interface.

I myself would prefer a greyish futuristic
desktop, I have been trying to get it
to look like that but no luck yet, I
will continue.

//Robert


\\\\\\\"life sucks, get a f***ing helmet alright!\\\\\\\" -Denis Leary

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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah

 
 by IBBoard on: May 16 2008
 
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As with Rob, I can't reply underneath. Presumably it's some maximum depth.

With regards what is "Gnome-ish", there probably isn't a definitive line you can draw. The only definite line you could draw is that branded isn't Gnome, it's branded.

Some people will want photos, and some people will create things with other apps, and all of them might be of interest to Gnome users. In general, though, they would probably be best in their own *-look.org-type website, or at least in a sub-category.

With icon themes then nothing makes it specifically Gnome, except support for specific Gnome apps. The style generally makes a theme more Gnome than KDE, though, and unlike desktops then icon themes can't directly be used in Windows or (as far as I know) Mac OS X.

Taner's work looks interesting, and some of it appears to be Linux branded, but I would never use it as a desktop. It's a personal choice, but they're nearly all way too bright and attention grabbing for me to even consider them suitable for my desktop.

IMO Metacity (by virtue of being the default in Gnome), GDM and a few other parts are Gnome and need somewhere central like Gnome-look. They're Gnome because they're themes for Gnome things, where as desktops are just images that can be used anywhere.

I don't think there would ever be a definite answer, but some control of branding and generic stuff would probably help.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah

 
 by twrock on: May 17 2008
 
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(yes, I think there is a set depth for threads so that the window doesn't get too narrow)

Robert, bad news. You are going to have to remove your Slickness theme from GNOME-Look.org. Since PCLinuxOS used it for their distro, it's become "branded"! ;)

(Just kidding, of course.)

I still can't imagine how anyone is going to establish any sort of criteria for "generic" stuff. If it has the word "GNOME" or the "foot" logo, then it is clearly GNOME. So that is simple. But once someone uploads something without either of those (and without any other branding), I just think it is "generic" and how can anyone decide what should stay and what should go? Can't most of this stuff be duplicated (ported) for KDE or some other desktop environment? If so, what makes it "gnome-ly" and not something else?

I change the look and feel of my "gnome" desktop all the time. Sometimes it looks quite Mac'ish, sometimes KDE'ish, and even sometimes a bit Windows'ish. (Oh no! Will that get me banned?!) :) Part of what I like about gnome is that I can have it any way I want it. At the moment, it looks very much like KDE, with a very blue "neon" theme and cartoonish icons. But I might change all of that tomorrow.

So I guess I'm still just wondering.




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah

 
 by IBBoard on: May 17 2008
 
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My issue with photos is just that they're photos and that often people will just flood a site with a big batch of photos (see art.gnome.org as an example).

There's nothing wrong with having stuff that isn't Gnome/Linux-branded (as I said, I've got a Ghost in the Shell desktop) but on a site called Gnome-look.org it should be easier to find the Gnome/Linux stuff under the swathes of photos.

A lot of the content probably could apply to KDE as well, except GDM, possibly Metacity, and a few other bits, but if you're going down that line then you need a "linux-look.org" to cover everything that is "Linuxy" but applies to multiple environments.

Maybe I'll just ignore my pet peeve of random photos as desktops and focus on the main, original point of distro branding :) It's much easier to quantify and even though I would personally rather have photos on a generic site, the line where you separate good vector/pixel artwork that fits with the Gnome style is too fuzzy.



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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by Fri13 on: May 30 2008
 
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"I think what we need is more subcategories, for example"

(Littlebit sidetopic)
We dont need subcategories, only a tags.

Tags what you can specifie to your account so you can filter them away. You could search them like "GNOME +Green +Glass +Wallpaper -Orange -Distribution +1280x1024" tags would allow to find wallpapers what is about GNOME, it has something green, something glassy (3D art or glassy effect), size is 1280x1024 and it does not include orange color (or fruit) or any distribution specific brand.

Categories are good for certain point, after those, they start making whole system more complex to maintain and use. That is what is currently going on desktop usage. You find easier all data via search engine than with your system's search function. That's why we are having Nepomuk or other technologies to search metadata.

So tags would be gnome/kde-look/apps content metadata, we could filter and manage all much easier than with subcategories.

Rest of idea is on other group... but you get the point. I would love the idea to filter off all the distro specific or just others than mine. I could search easily all the artwork what I'm looking for. Like "I want today somekind dark wallpaper with 3D model of GNOME feet on it" and then I just search what I want.

I dont need to browse categories to find it, I just tell it. And everyone would be happy, those who like somekind special artwork/apps, can see it and filter all other off.

Other way is that we dont accept anymore any other artwork to GNOME-look.org if it's not about GNOME. It's bad for community but on other end, better for GNOME users.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by TheRob on: May 30 2008
 
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Yeah! The tagging system would work, as long
as users posting material is kind enough
to write in some tags (I know I'm very
very
lazy doing that at deviantart(but the category
I always get right ;D)),but it't def worth
a try!

And yes, I strongly agree that only gnome
stuff should be allowed here!
(well this place was called "gnome look" the
last time I checked!)

You seem to be a very smart man! maybe you
have some other good ideas too????

//Robert


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 30 2008
 
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Tags would definitely be a good way of handling it, but it does very much rely on the submitter not being lazy.

Since I have my own site that takes community submissions I know how lazy people can be. Chances are a reasonable number of people wouldn't bother with more than a minimal number of tags (however many it needs to be submitted).

What you'd need then, in that situation, is community tagging so that we can add our own tags, but then that is open to abuse so you need moderation of some type. There's also the problem of people disagreeing on what tags are applicable - is it glass or is it gloss, and other trivial or not so trivial disagreements.

Tagging is a great idea, and I can see its use, but I think it's a solution that misses part of the problem (laziness of people not willing to do a bit of research/leg work).


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 by Fri13 on: May 30 2008
 
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Oh, You already got the point what I just answered ;-)

There could be those problems on words, especially if it's more like EN_US vs EN_GB. But that's why there could be possible way for admin to convert other tag to other one and then lock the "wrong" one. Actually it is always "hard" choise, but I think we manage to talk things trought that. Because there cant be so impossible situations where you cant choose other one, then we need admin who makes the choise.

Or if we want more comples thing, we could bring up those tags to vote, where voters can choose wich one stays... And vote could be like, 48h long and then loosed tag get changed to winning one and lost version gets locked.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by Fri13 on: May 30 2008
 
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"You seem to be a very smart man! maybe you
have some other good ideas too????"

I'm not smart, I'm just enoug pi**off for searching wanted artwork amongs *buntu and womens.

That tagging problem wouldn't have problem. Because first, the original poster can set tags (when you write them, you get autocomplete for them, so you cant write double onces with small difference) and second, all *registered* users could add/remove tags too. Example, if author adds wallpaper of 1600x1200 what is photo taken on woods and author has added there a Ubuntu logo. Author tags it with "Ubuntu". Then first viewer comes and finds out that it has only tag "Ubuntu", so viewer adds there "Forest" "Green" tags. Then second viewer comes there and adds "Woods" tag and third one comes and sees that artwork is only one what have "woods" tag, and it already had "forrest" tag, so s/he removes the "woods" tag.

Then to stop abuse, we allow every registered user to change tags 5 times on 12h. So user could remove tag 3 times and add other tag 2 times, then wait 12h and he gets new 5 tags changes.

This way, one troll or abuser cant go and destroy everything once.

The whole tagging system would be littlebit like a wiki, in idea that that users are those who adds tags.

It's like on Slashdot, few users get admin rights, but only for 5 ratings and on those conversations, where they have not posted any message. But this way, all registered could change tags, not just random ones.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: Jun 1 2008
 
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But then you need an ontology of words to find "woods" when the user searches "forests" or else searching one won't find the other even if most users would consider them to be the same ;)

Tags can get very complex very quickly. The problem with differences isn't even always just English versus American, sometimes it is difference of interpretation of the subject.

Voting sounds good in theory, but I've seen how Slashdot gets at times. You've got to rely on the voting public to be sensible and know what they're talking about. Often that's too much to ask, but it's also too much to ask of a site this size to have moderators who keep an eye on all of the tags. Quite where the best balance lies I'm not sure.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by code933k on: Jun 2 2008
 
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I don't get in depth your recent comment @iBBoard. Words are ontologically categorized by principle the same way ontology is by principle a linguistic affair[...] That is unavoidable unless programmers do not confuse completely simple -irrational- tags with semiological analysis.

Depending on the ground of application, tags can be keen enough through grammar or an analysis of proximity.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: Jun 2 2008
 
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What I was saying is that if you give people a free-text search that matches against tags then you're relying on people's understanding of the tag to be the same and for people to think of alternatives.

The other alternative is a complex ontological approach that identifies similar words (potentially using something like WordNet) so that it can say "well you asked for X, which we don't have anything tagged with, but Y is almost identical in meaning so maybe that's what you meant?"

As an example, if you want a desktop with a forest on it but someone has decided it's only a small group of trees and so is a wood, not a forest, then doing an absolute tag matching won't find the items. The person may then assume that nothing exists and not think to search "wood". If you had ontological mappings then you can say "well a wood is a small forest, so return those with a lower relevance value".

Hopefully that makes a bit more sense.



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 Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by code933k on: May 14 2008
 
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If you meant "Nature photo artwork" it is being banned. Cheack out the strong submission policies they have.


Useless:
1.) adj. Something which is not as valuable as you think.
2.) See think.

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 Re: Re: Re: Yeah!

 
 by IBBoard on: May 14 2008
 
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On art.gnome.org? I saw that message months ago, I'm sure, and I'd guesstimate that 90%+ of the contributions since then have been generic nature photos. It would be good if the official Gnome site was Gnome only, but from what I've seen so far then they're not enforcing it very much.


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 Late comments...

 
 by code933k on: May 16 2008
 
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I will make just a few comments about what I do consider is the broader approach of this group.

At first, Gnome is not about "desktops". Gnome/GTK is a set of libraries and usability approaches which most tight and well known result for average users is "the" Gnome/Desktop.

But then, a desktop is just a model of usability [...]

Gnome/GTK can be used in a wider spectrum of things than just "desktop capable PCs" (Vista alas..!). Portable devices, etc. Also, those devices known as "PCs" can be relieved of painful requirements by using a good keyboard driven WM or a voice driven app or whatever technology of choice [...] instead of a desktop. Unless we jump into plain console for enterprice-class-servers (which perfectly could use gnome-vfs if they find an useful ground for it, as an example)

Thus, the posibilities are limitless. Different Gnome usability approaches can coexist peacefully:

1.) If people doesn't start branding everything ratpoison, Ion3, Servers are better than plain computers, ipod, Vista WOW copy, etc. but they just focus in what Gnome means. The same goes for KDE.

2.) There's also the "distribution problem" which is a mayor pain for that broader Gnome comunity. If people stop branding everything with the name of their first distro (or the only one they can do use) other users can benefit a lot from it. If people want a "bigones" wallpaper they are free of acting so in their own computers.

Well, I think everyone agree with me. At least that's why I have joined here .


Useless:
1.) adj. Something which is not as valuable as you think.
2.) See think.

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 Another thought....

 
 by twrock on: May 24 2008
 
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(Maybe this was mentioned before, but it's been too long since I've thought about this and I don't remember.)

I'm not sure the admins around here care nearly as much about all of this as some of us do. I'm not trying to be mean by saying that, just saying it because "more content" = "more activity" = "more prominent site". There's nothing "evil" about that, just the reality. So this idea might not get anywhere, but here goes.....

If when someone clicks the "Add Content" button, they are first taken to a page that has a simple set of instructions for how to put content where it belongs within the entire openDesktop.org site, that might help, especially with newbies. RIght now, if I am in GNOME-Look.org and I click on the "Add Content" button, I must choose between all of the subcategories on G-L only for some place to put my content. I am not informed that there are other "sites" within openDesktop.org that might be much better places to put my content. I am not told that "branded" stuff belongs in one of the "branded" sub-sites.

If instead, when I click on the "Add Content" button, I am taken to a page that has a simple explanation of why it is important to get my content to the place it belongs, I am much more likely to both comply and to ultimately help this website's admins control the overwhelming amount of content being uploaded every day. That page could have a nested heirarchy of links that help me get my content put where it really belongs. I should have to work my way through that hierarchy first before I am able to enter any specific info/data/files. In addition to helping the admins keep the overall openDesktop.org site organized, I will be helping them increase user activity in the less used subsites.

Ok, that is just my rambling thoughts of this morning. If it is full of holes, feel free to tell me I'm not getting it.


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 Re: Another thought....

 
 by IBBoard on: May 26 2008
 
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That sounds like a good idea. It partially relies on people actually reading the instructions (which 90%+ of people don't do) but if you have it as an enforced part of the submission process (e.g. "Please pick the subsite that is most applicable...") then it might work.

Whether anyone wants to implement it or not is another matter...


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 Re: Re: Another thought....

 
 by twrock on: May 28 2008
 
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>>"Whether anyone wants to implement it or not is another matter..."

I sent the idea to one of the "editors", a couple of days ago. So far, no reply, so I don't even know if it was noticed.

>>"Many people around talk too much but they don't really help, keep talking about things they don't know, and get angry if you tell them they don't know what they are talking about..."

Mario (code933k), I agree with that. And I hope I am not one of the ones who is talking too much about things that won't help. I do hope there is at least some validity to the solution ("partial" solution?) I suggested. How much do the "editors" talk to each other about this stuff? Is this topic something of concern on that level? Who is it that can actually implement some kind of change? Is there anything already being done to change things?

If something is being done, I'll just wait and see what it is and if it is effective. But if nothing is being done, it would be nice to know why. If the admins don't see any of this as a "problem" then that would be nice to know as well. That way people can either give up and accept it or yell louder so that someone might notice or just simply move on quietly to some other site.


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 Wow!

 
 by twrock on: May 26 2008
 
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So when I logged onto GNOME-Look this morning, 7 of the 15 newest contents were Ubuntu branded and 1 was Debian branded. (And I'm not even counting the "Linux" branded wallpaper.) Wow, more that half of the content was branded something other than GNOME! It really is amazing when there is a Debian-Art.org and a Ubuntu-Art.org that would be perfect places to put that stuff.

It seems clear to me that there is no way that this will change any time soon when all people see when they come here is that "everyone else is doing it". Unless there is some change "forced" by the submission system (something like I suggested above) or else some kind of "re-directing" of the content by admins after things are submitted (I can't believe the admins want to take the time to do that!), everyone will just have to accept that this is the way that GNOME-Look will "look".

Is there any other way this is going to change?


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 Re: Wow!

 
 by TheRob on: May 26 2008
 
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Well I sure hope so cause I don't even take
the time to go through the newly posted
stuff anymore (when Taner is a soldier and
all),
I head straight towards deviantart when I
need a wallpaper or whatever :)

This place has turned into fan "art" for ubuntu
where every newly turned ubuntu boy want's
to post their first work where they took a
wallpaper, putted the ubuntu logo on it and
whollaa! it's a gpl'd "gnome wallpaper" here!

Great! If this continues I will completely
move to dev-art!


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 Re: Re: Wow!

 
 by code933k on: May 27 2008
 
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Man, calm down!! There's freshmeat.net, art.gnome.org and customize.org too. ;)


There are arguments out there that it's better to have a single standard desktop environment, so that our mothers can find their way around [...] --pekwm doc
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 Re: Re: Re: Wow!

 
 by TheRob on: May 27 2008
 
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Yeah! Great!

I actually found some really nice real
gnome wallpaper at gnome art (art.gnome) :D

thanks for the info man!

I'm happier already :D

//Robert

PS. how is the project evolving?


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow!

 
 by code933k on: May 30 2008
 
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If you were asking about Titanium it is getting better. Some strange "ghost glowing" will appear at some parts for the version to come.

Though I am more focused in a gtkrc theme that I need to test the icons and improve them, as it is a DRAFT and I will try to finish the more I can so that a theme more closer to the one I want can emerge some day.


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 Re: Wow!

 
 by code933k on: May 27 2008
 
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I think there's no way without an explicit submission policy. But, once again, that isn't fool-proof.

Many people around talk too much but they don't really help, keep talking about things they don't know, and get angry if you tell them they don't know what they are talking about...

I suppose that is what you get when you participate in an open site. Soon, you get in contact with people sharing similar interests instead of paying attention to anybody else.

By my side I'll see what will happen when the new changes are implemented. Then I'll see if I can ignore stupidity or just move away from those annoying kids.


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